If the GRAVES family is from Maryland, this is some background information on Maryland that might be useful. These are all answers I received after sending an email to the MDWASHING rootsweb mailing list.
This is the message I sent. I got three responses.
I'm new to these lists and I hope that I have the right ones; there are a lot of choices for the state of Maryland. I am looking for resources available for my ancestors who may have lived in Maryland during the revolutionary war.
I had hit a dead end with my 4x great grandfather George GRAVES (b. abt 1800 in USA died before 1851 in Ontario, Canada) but recently through another rootsweb mailing list have found that there is a GRAVES family association and it has George's ancestry back 2 generations. I would like to verify the information as none of it is sourced AND there are no dates so all I've got to go on now is names.
According to the book American Migrations 1765-1799, Lt. George GRAVES & Capt. Adam GRAVES were brothers who were alive in the 1780's living in Frederick County, Maryland. They were loyal to the British and were trying recruit men to their cause when they were captured, condemned to die but instead they were reprieved on condition of being transported to France. They escaped to New York, then sailed to England on 10 Sep 1783.
If these are my ancestors, they eventually received land in 1797 in Pittsburgh Township, Frontenac County, Upper Canada just north of the St. Lawrence River, east of present day Kingston, Ontario.
Again from the book American Migrations, George & Adam GRAVES made a claim for 428 acres of land in Frederick, Washington Co in 1783. The last bit of information from the book is that George GRAVES died in Canada in 1789 (if he died in 1789 how was it that he received land in 1797? did he have a son also named George who got his land?)
Does anyone know if Frederick, Washington County has good land records that far back? If yes, any suggestions where I could start to find the land claim records by Adam & George GRAVES?
Does anyone know if there are British Revolutionary war military records in Maryland?
Apparently Adam GRAVES brother, Joseph GRAVES was an Admiral for the British and his sister (no name) owned a plantation worked by slaves. Was Maryland a state that had plantations? I would have thought that plantations would have been farther south than Maryland but I don't know much about early American history or the eastern states geography.
It looks like there is a lot of information for the Maryland area on the LDS familysearch catalog so I will also start with those films but if anyone on the list has some helpful hints, I would be grateful for the information since I haven't done any genealogy searching outside of Ontario, Canada!
Response #1
(re: Adam & Joseph GRAVES sister owned a plantation worked by slaves, assumed in Maryland)
Maryland was a slave state. Anything below the Mason & Dixon line (separating Md. De.,Va. and Pa.) was considered a slave state. They were also found in the northern states too. Maryland was considered a English state as it was originally settled mainly by the English, so when the American Revolution came along the citizens of the State were greatly divided on which side to take. Mine are mainly French Hugenots and Ulsterscots so we were 100% for the revolution.
Response #2
Washington County Maryland county evolution:
Washington from Frederick in 1776
Frederick from Prince George in 1748
Prince George from Calvert and Charles in 1695.
Records prior to 1776 will be in Frederick Co.
You need to check with the Frederick County website to get a more full response. Many of us work back and forth between surrounding counties because people moved around, but I believe your best responses will be from those who have resources for Frederick County.
One resource for Frederick County that I have is Rice's THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS, Excerpts from the Judgment Records of Fred. Co. MD 1848-1765. On page 183:
[during the August Court of 1758] "Ordered that bench warrant issue for searching Thomas GRAVES' house." There is a marriage license record for a Thomas GRAVES to Elizabeth CARTNAIL Oct. 9, 1783 in Myers, MARRIAGE LICENSES OF FREDERICK CO MD. 1778-1810.
There are 7 GRAVES grooms is Morrow & Morrow's WASHINGTON COUNTY MARYLAND MARRIAGES, 1799-1860. One is for Joseph GRAVES/Catherine BROSIUS on 1/9/1817. That is the earliest - the latest is in 1857.
The Washington Spy (Hagerstown)
October 5, 1796
"Tract for sale, 400a., adj Pennsylvania line and lands of Samuel GRAVES, 2 miles from Hancocktown - William TONG."
In 1808 there was a petition to straighten a road near Hancock and this location tied to Samuel GRAVES is mentioned. In 1815 a mention is made of a John GRAVES living 1/2 mile from Hancock.
Maryland land records are online and you might investigate those.
In Clement's and Wright's, THE MARYLAND MILITIA IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR six GRAVES patriots fought in the Maryland Militia - some from St. Mary's County, Kent, and Montgomery.
In Ridenour's WASHINGTON COUNTY MD OBIT LOCATOR, 1790-1940 there are some GRAVES obits running from 1896-1940.
In Morrow & Morrow's WILLS OF WASHINGTON COUNTY, the only entry for GRAVES is for George who had estate documents in 1858.
From Passano's SOURCE RECORDS OF MARYLAND:
"Graves. Md. tombstone rec. Md. Geneal. Rec. Com., 1937, Parran, p. 3 Mss. DAR.
Thurman, Graves, Jones. Descendants of John Thurman of Va., William Graves of Va., and John Jones of Sc., J.D. Humprihes, 1938. DAR."
From INVENTORY OF MARYLAND BIBLE RECORDS, The Genealogical Council of MD.
GRAVES Bible, eb. 1713, em 1841, on STANSBURY, BOYD, COLGATE, MERRITT; res. Baltimore Co. Md. dep. MHS/FCA
GRAVES Bible eb 1749, on THOMPSON, JONES, BAKER, res. Westmoreland, Wales; Baltimore, MD. dep. MHS/FCA.
MHS = Maryland Historical Society
FCA = Filing case A.
Response #3
Frederick county has wonderful land records. I have not used the
on-line database but I have researched there in person. To use the on-line
records go to:
http://www.mdlandrec.net/msa/stagser/s1700/s1741/cfm/index.cfm?CFID=13965908
Response #4
Sorry for the delay. I checked the land record indexes for Frederick Co., MD 1778-1803 and also Washington Co. and did not find any listing for an Adam or George Graves, or any other Graves in that time frame.
Now to follow up on their leads.
Friday, September 19, 2008
GRAVES from Maryland?
Well, from the information on the Graves Family Site and the book American Revolutions it's possible that my GRAVES family lines were British loyalists in Maryland and went to Montreal before coming to Pittsburgh. So I'm exploring my options. I don't know how or if I will verify any of it, but it's interesting none-the-less and if it is provable or not maybe someone in the future will be able to find something I didn't.
The Graves Family Site does not have dates for any of the people. Jean Graves who submitted the information only included names. Jean never married and died in 2003. I wonder what happened to her genealogy notes; perhaps she has a nephew or a niece alive in Kingston who knows what became of it. It frustrates me to think that five years ago I could have talked with someone who knew my relatives when they still lived in the Kingston area. Her name and phone number are included in a notebook that my great-grandfather took to Kingston in the 1960's. Since she was his first cousin they must have visited together.
Anyway, I want to include the information I got from the Graves Family Site and add the notes or questions and comments I have. The information I received is in regular print and my additions are italicized in blue.
The father (1) of Adam Graves married. Based on their living in Maryland and the connection with the British Navy, it seems likely that this family is descended from the Graves family of Mickleton, Gloucestershire, England (gen. 68). It may also be part of or closely related to the family of John Graves, that settled in St. Mary's Co., Maryland (gen. 247). (R 1)
Children - Graves
+2. Adam Graves, m. .
3. Joseph Graves; an Admiral in the British Navy. Commanded a ship, the Pauley (could not find a reference to this ship on the internet). He is said to have had a consultation during the American Revolution with British General [John] Burgoyne (1722-1792) on the subject of the necessity of preventing a store of ammunition from falling into the hands of the revolutionaries. Evidently, before it was moved to a safer place, it was seized by Paul Revere (1735-1818) and stored in an old cellar for use by General [George] Washington's (1732-1799) troops.
4. daughter; owned a plantation worked by slaves.
CHILDREN OF GRAVES (1)
Capt. Adam Graves (2) married ?. He and his family moved to Canada with the U.E.L. (United Empire Loyalist) migration, and settled in Montreal where his son George is said to have attended McGill University (McGill University did not begin offering classes until 1829; George was having children before 1829 so it’s doubtful he went to McGill) and studied to be an engineer. When the government machinery was set up for granting land to the Loyalists, Adam went with a negro slave to Pittsburgh Township, where according to the Crown Records Dept. in Toronto, he received a grant of land in 1816, on the St. Lawrence River. (need to check land records).
Names and generations of the GRAVES family from Ken Graves
(1) GRAVES, M
1. (2) Adam GRAVES, M (m) unknown
2. (5) George GRAVES, M, (m1) Betsy, (m2) Catherine PERCY
3. (6) Ellen GRAVES, F
3. (7) George GRAVES, M
3. (8) Henry GRAVES, M, (m) unknown
4. (17) George GRAVES, M, (m) Sitney Van HORNE
5. (23) Sarah GRAVES, F, (m) Robert BRASH
6. (34) Howard BRASH, M
6. (35) William BRASH, M
6. (36) George BRASH, M
6. (37) Maude BRASH, F
6. (38) Tina BRASH, F
6. (39) Emma BRASH, F
5. (24) William GRAVES, M
5. (25) George GRAVES, M, (m) Elizabeth MILTON
6. (40) Stanley GRAVES, M
6. (41) Annette Marie GRAVES, F
6. (42) Harvey GRAVES, M, (m) Mary BARKER
7. (46) Nancy GRAVES, F
7. (47) Alan GRAVES, M
7. (48) John GRAVES, M
7. (49) Ted GRAVES, M
7. (50) Mary GRAVES, F
7. (51) James GRAVES, M
6. (43) Dorothea GRAVES, F
6. (44) Jean GRAVES, F
5. (26) Catherine GRAVES, F, (m) HARDING
6. (45) Alden GRAVES, M
7. (52) Hugh GRAVES, M
7. (53) Marjorie GRAVES, F
5. (27) Joseph GRAVES, M
5. (28) John GRAVES, M
5. (29) Minnie GRAVES, F, (m) Bauer Wilmot
5. (30) Alfred GRAVES, M, (m) Hattie Van Horne
5. (31) Anne GRAVES, F, (m1) unknown, (m2) unknown
5. (32) Frank GRAVES, M
5. (33) Herbert GRAVES, M
3. (9) Michael GRAVES, M
4. (18) George GRAVES, M
4. (19) Charles GRAVES, M
4. (20) Tom GRAVES, M
4. (21) John GRAVES, M
4. (22) Edward GRAVES, M
3. (10) John GRAVES, M
3. (11) William GRAVES, M
3. (12) Jane GRAVES, F, (m) TAYLOR
3. (13) Mary GRAVES, F
3. (14) Sarah GRAVES, F, (m) HILTON or MILTON
3. (15) Hannah GRAVES, F, (m) DAVENPORT
3. (16) Susan GRAVES, F, (m) STEVENSON
1. (3) Joseph GRAVES, M
1. (4) GRAVES, F
Did Adam have a brother named George who would have been the Lieut. George Graves to receive land in Pittsburgh Township in 1797?
• American Migrations has Adam & George Graves as brothers, not father & son
• American Migrations states that George Graves died in Canada in or before June 1789
• Lilacs & Limestone Adam & George received land in Pittsburgh Township in 1797; Jean Graves’ date is 1816
If George Graves died in 1789, is it possible that his son (who may have been also named George) could have received the crown land in Pittsburgh Township on behalf of his deceased father and it was the son George Graves (nephew of Adam) that was married to Catherine Percy?
Based on Henry Graves and Michael Graves birth years in the 1820’s, and Catherine Percy’s birth date between 1799-1807, it would make sense that her husband was born no earlier than about 1780 and more likely that he was closer to her age and born about 1800. If he was born as early as 1770, that would make him about 27 years old in 1797 when he received land for his loyalist efforts, but he would have been a young boy when the beginning of the Revolutionary War begun in the late 1770’s.
However, if Catherine Percy was his second marriage, he might have had a very young second wife (but then he would have been a very old man when they had eight children together before his death between 1844-1851).
On one page Catherine Percy is called "LADY" Catherine Percy. That sounds like an awfully big title for a woman born in British North America. Perhaps that's a clue to her ancestry.
Before I knew about the Graves Family Site the following is what I know/believe to be true about the Graves family. The numbers in brackets are the corresponding numbers to the Graves Family site above.
GRAVES, M
1. Adam GRAVES, M (believe that the George & Adam that received land in 1797 are brothers, not father & son)
1. George GRAVES, M (is this the George that married Betsy and his son George married Catherine Percy?)
2. (5 or 7) George GRAVES, M, b. abt 1800, d. aft 1842, (m) Catherine PERCY
3. (no #) Elizabeth GRAVES, F, b. abt 1822
3. (8 or 17 ) Henry GRAVES, M, b. 01 Feb 1825, d. 21 Jan 1891, (m) Citney Ann VANHORN
4. (23) Sarah Jane GRAVES, F, b. 10 Aug 1856, d. 24 Aug 1933, (m) Robert BRASH
5. (37) Alice Maud BRASH, F, b. 08 Apr 1877, (m) John Henry MILLIONS
6. (no #) Percy MILLIONS, F, b. 20 Oct 1902
6. (no #) Sarah Alma MILLIONS, F, b. 28 Apr 1904
5. (39) Emma Citney BRASH, F, b. 05 Apr 1879
5. (38) Christina BRASH, F, b. 19 Jan 1881
5. (34) William Howard BRASH, M, b. 24 Dec 1882
5. (35) William Graves BRASH, M, b. 20 Mar 1887, (m) Maud Elise BELL
5. (36) George BRASH, M, b. 08 Mar 1896, (m) Eva Alice THOMSON
4. (24) William Henry GRAVES, M, b. 13 Oct 1858
4. (no #) Elizabeth Anne GRAVES, F, b. 20 May 1860, d. 12 Dec 1880
4. (25) George Alexander GRAVES, M, b. 28 Nov 1861, (m) Elizabeth MILTON
5. (40) Stanley Milton GRAVES, M, b. 12 Sep 1901, d. 23 Jan 1928
5. (41) Marie Anita GRAVES, F, b. 02 Apr 1903, d. 14 Apr 1903
5. (42) Harvey Allan GRAVES, M, b. 07 Apr 1904, d. 1956
5. (43) Dorothy GRAVES, F, b. Jun 1905, d. 1982, (m) G. Ronald ADAMS
5. (44) Jean GRAVES, F, b. May 1909, d. 2003
4. (26) Catherine Susan GRAVES, F, b. 27 Aug 1863, (m) Harding
4. (27) Joseph Charles GRAVES, M, b. 02 Oct 1865
4. (28) John Thomas GRAVES, M, b. 02 Jun 1868, d. 18 Mar 1882
4. (29) MARY AGNES GRAVES, F, b. 08 Aug 1870, d. 20 Aug 1950, (m) Albert Boyer WILMOT
5. (no #) CLIFFORD ROY WILMOT, M, b. 04 Sep 1898, d. 26 May 1991, (m) RHUEMMA OVARD
6. (no #), M, (m)
6. (no #) Lyle Harvey WILMOT, M, b. 19 Mar 1931, d. 26 Jan 1978, (m)
5. (no #) Roscoe Harvey WILMOT, M, b. 11 Dec 1902, d. 12 Sep 1957, (m)
4. (31) Citney Ann GRAVES, F, b. 13 Dec 1871
4. (30) Henry Alfred GRAVES, M, b. 13 Dec 1871, (m) Hattie Louise PATTERSON
5. (no #) Vera GRAVES, F, b. 20 Sep 1896
5. (no #) Audrey GRAVES, F, b. 15 Sep 1900
5. (no #) Katherline GRAVES, F, b. Sep 1904
5. (no #) Alfreda GRAVES, F, b. Oct 1907
5. (no #) Philippe GRAVES, M, b. Feb 1910
4. (32) Michael Francis GRAVES, M, b. 08 Sep 1873
4. (33) Herbert Douglas GRAVES, M, b. 14 Mar 1875, d. 25 May 1876
3. (9) Michael GRAVES, M, b. abt 1832, d. 27 Oct 1892, (m) Margaret MCFADDEN
4. (18) George GRAVES, M, b. 10 Aug 1857, d. 1932
4. (21) Thomas John GRAVES, M, b. abt 1859, d. 29 Oct 1930
4. (no #) Eliza GRAVES, F, b. abt 1860
4. (20) Thomas GRAVES, M, b. 1862
4. (19) Charles GRAVES, M, b. 04 Mar 1865, d. 1940
4. (22?) Edwin James GRAVES, M, b. 11 Dec 1868
3. (10) John GRAVES, M, b. abt 1834
3. (11) William GRAVES, M, b. abt 1837
3. (15) Hannah GRAVES, F, b. abt 1839, d. aft 1911, (m) Devenport
3. (14) Sarah Bryant GRAVES, F, b. 19 Mar 1843
3. (16) Susan GRAVES, F, b. abt 1846
As for my questions, I contacted McGill University, and they do not have a record of George Graves attending (that's not a surprise based on my dates).
I looked at Canadian Military records, and there are a lot of Adam Graves and George Graves living in Sorel, Quebec (near Montreal) at the right time period. I ordered a film from the LDS FHC of Sorel baptisms. Perhaps at that time they were still Church of England/Anglican and bapitized their children as such.
I used Yahoo groups to find out how Catherine Percy could be called a "Lady". I got an answer that I think is pretty good and at least gives a direction to start looking. If George Graves lived near Montreal at some point in time, it's possible she wasn't born in or near Pittsburgh Township and they were married near Montreal. So far I haven't found any Percy families in Pittsburgh Township.
I ordered the land film from the LAC that Joanna said to check out. It should arrive at the public library in a few weeks.
So now to do:
The Graves Family Site does not have dates for any of the people. Jean Graves who submitted the information only included names. Jean never married and died in 2003. I wonder what happened to her genealogy notes; perhaps she has a nephew or a niece alive in Kingston who knows what became of it. It frustrates me to think that five years ago I could have talked with someone who knew my relatives when they still lived in the Kingston area. Her name and phone number are included in a notebook that my great-grandfather took to Kingston in the 1960's. Since she was his first cousin they must have visited together.
Anyway, I want to include the information I got from the Graves Family Site and add the notes or questions and comments I have. The information I received is in regular print and my additions are italicized in blue.
The father (1) of Adam Graves married. Based on their living in Maryland and the connection with the British Navy, it seems likely that this family is descended from the Graves family of Mickleton, Gloucestershire, England (gen. 68). It may also be part of or closely related to the family of John Graves, that settled in St. Mary's Co., Maryland (gen. 247). (R 1)
Children - Graves
+2. Adam Graves, m. .
3. Joseph Graves; an Admiral in the British Navy. Commanded a ship, the Pauley (could not find a reference to this ship on the internet). He is said to have had a consultation during the American Revolution with British General [John] Burgoyne (1722-1792) on the subject of the necessity of preventing a store of ammunition from falling into the hands of the revolutionaries. Evidently, before it was moved to a safer place, it was seized by Paul Revere (1735-1818) and stored in an old cellar for use by General [George] Washington's (1732-1799) troops.
4. daughter; owned a plantation worked by slaves.
CHILDREN OF GRAVES (1)
Capt. Adam Graves (2) married ?. He and his family moved to Canada with the U.E.L. (United Empire Loyalist) migration, and settled in Montreal where his son George is said to have attended McGill University (McGill University did not begin offering classes until 1829; George was having children before 1829 so it’s doubtful he went to McGill) and studied to be an engineer. When the government machinery was set up for granting land to the Loyalists, Adam went with a negro slave to Pittsburgh Township, where according to the Crown Records Dept. in Toronto, he received a grant of land in 1816, on the St. Lawrence River. (need to check land records).
Names and generations of the GRAVES family from Ken Graves
(1) GRAVES, M
1. (2) Adam GRAVES, M (m) unknown
2. (5) George GRAVES, M, (m1) Betsy, (m2) Catherine PERCY
3. (6) Ellen GRAVES, F
3. (7) George GRAVES, M
3. (8) Henry GRAVES, M, (m) unknown
4. (17) George GRAVES, M, (m) Sitney Van HORNE
5. (23) Sarah GRAVES, F, (m) Robert BRASH
6. (34) Howard BRASH, M
6. (35) William BRASH, M
6. (36) George BRASH, M
6. (37) Maude BRASH, F
6. (38) Tina BRASH, F
6. (39) Emma BRASH, F
5. (24) William GRAVES, M
5. (25) George GRAVES, M, (m) Elizabeth MILTON
6. (40) Stanley GRAVES, M
6. (41) Annette Marie GRAVES, F
6. (42) Harvey GRAVES, M, (m) Mary BARKER
7. (46) Nancy GRAVES, F
7. (47) Alan GRAVES, M
7. (48) John GRAVES, M
7. (49) Ted GRAVES, M
7. (50) Mary GRAVES, F
7. (51) James GRAVES, M
6. (43) Dorothea GRAVES, F
6. (44) Jean GRAVES, F
5. (26) Catherine GRAVES, F, (m) HARDING
6. (45) Alden GRAVES, M
7. (52) Hugh GRAVES, M
7. (53) Marjorie GRAVES, F
5. (27) Joseph GRAVES, M
5. (28) John GRAVES, M
5. (29) Minnie GRAVES, F, (m) Bauer Wilmot
5. (30) Alfred GRAVES, M, (m) Hattie Van Horne
5. (31) Anne GRAVES, F, (m1) unknown, (m2) unknown
5. (32) Frank GRAVES, M
5. (33) Herbert GRAVES, M
3. (9) Michael GRAVES, M
4. (18) George GRAVES, M
4. (19) Charles GRAVES, M
4. (20) Tom GRAVES, M
4. (21) John GRAVES, M
4. (22) Edward GRAVES, M
3. (10) John GRAVES, M
3. (11) William GRAVES, M
3. (12) Jane GRAVES, F, (m) TAYLOR
3. (13) Mary GRAVES, F
3. (14) Sarah GRAVES, F, (m) HILTON or MILTON
3. (15) Hannah GRAVES, F, (m) DAVENPORT
3. (16) Susan GRAVES, F, (m) STEVENSON
1. (3) Joseph GRAVES, M
1. (4) GRAVES, F
Did Adam have a brother named George who would have been the Lieut. George Graves to receive land in Pittsburgh Township in 1797?
• American Migrations has Adam & George Graves as brothers, not father & son
• American Migrations states that George Graves died in Canada in or before June 1789
• Lilacs & Limestone Adam & George received land in Pittsburgh Township in 1797; Jean Graves’ date is 1816
If George Graves died in 1789, is it possible that his son (who may have been also named George) could have received the crown land in Pittsburgh Township on behalf of his deceased father and it was the son George Graves (nephew of Adam) that was married to Catherine Percy?
Based on Henry Graves and Michael Graves birth years in the 1820’s, and Catherine Percy’s birth date between 1799-1807, it would make sense that her husband was born no earlier than about 1780 and more likely that he was closer to her age and born about 1800. If he was born as early as 1770, that would make him about 27 years old in 1797 when he received land for his loyalist efforts, but he would have been a young boy when the beginning of the Revolutionary War begun in the late 1770’s.
However, if Catherine Percy was his second marriage, he might have had a very young second wife (but then he would have been a very old man when they had eight children together before his death between 1844-1851).
On one page Catherine Percy is called "LADY" Catherine Percy. That sounds like an awfully big title for a woman born in British North America. Perhaps that's a clue to her ancestry.
Before I knew about the Graves Family Site the following is what I know/believe to be true about the Graves family. The numbers in brackets are the corresponding numbers to the Graves Family site above.
GRAVES, M
1. Adam GRAVES, M (believe that the George & Adam that received land in 1797 are brothers, not father & son)
1. George GRAVES, M (is this the George that married Betsy and his son George married Catherine Percy?)
2. (5 or 7) George GRAVES, M, b. abt 1800, d. aft 1842, (m) Catherine PERCY
3. (no #) Elizabeth GRAVES, F, b. abt 1822
3. (8 or 17 ) Henry GRAVES, M, b. 01 Feb 1825, d. 21 Jan 1891, (m) Citney Ann VANHORN
4. (23) Sarah Jane GRAVES, F, b. 10 Aug 1856, d. 24 Aug 1933, (m) Robert BRASH
5. (37) Alice Maud BRASH, F, b. 08 Apr 1877, (m) John Henry MILLIONS
6. (no #) Percy MILLIONS, F, b. 20 Oct 1902
6. (no #) Sarah Alma MILLIONS, F, b. 28 Apr 1904
5. (39) Emma Citney BRASH, F, b. 05 Apr 1879
5. (38) Christina BRASH, F, b. 19 Jan 1881
5. (34) William Howard BRASH, M, b. 24 Dec 1882
5. (35) William Graves BRASH, M, b. 20 Mar 1887, (m) Maud Elise BELL
5. (36) George BRASH, M, b. 08 Mar 1896, (m) Eva Alice THOMSON
4. (24) William Henry GRAVES, M, b. 13 Oct 1858
4. (no #) Elizabeth Anne GRAVES, F, b. 20 May 1860, d. 12 Dec 1880
4. (25) George Alexander GRAVES, M, b. 28 Nov 1861, (m) Elizabeth MILTON
5. (40) Stanley Milton GRAVES, M, b. 12 Sep 1901, d. 23 Jan 1928
5. (41) Marie Anita GRAVES, F, b. 02 Apr 1903, d. 14 Apr 1903
5. (42) Harvey Allan GRAVES, M, b. 07 Apr 1904, d. 1956
5. (43) Dorothy GRAVES, F, b. Jun 1905, d. 1982, (m) G. Ronald ADAMS
5. (44) Jean GRAVES, F, b. May 1909, d. 2003
4. (26) Catherine Susan GRAVES, F, b. 27 Aug 1863, (m) Harding
4. (27) Joseph Charles GRAVES, M, b. 02 Oct 1865
4. (28) John Thomas GRAVES, M, b. 02 Jun 1868, d. 18 Mar 1882
4. (29) MARY AGNES GRAVES, F, b. 08 Aug 1870, d. 20 Aug 1950, (m) Albert Boyer WILMOT
5. (no #) CLIFFORD ROY WILMOT, M, b. 04 Sep 1898, d. 26 May 1991, (m) RHUEMMA OVARD
6. (no #)
6. (no #) Lyle Harvey WILMOT, M, b. 19 Mar 1931, d. 26 Jan 1978, (m)
5. (no #) Roscoe Harvey WILMOT, M, b. 11 Dec 1902, d. 12 Sep 1957, (m)
4. (31) Citney Ann GRAVES, F, b. 13 Dec 1871
4. (30) Henry Alfred GRAVES, M, b. 13 Dec 1871, (m) Hattie Louise PATTERSON
5. (no #) Vera GRAVES, F, b. 20 Sep 1896
5. (no #) Audrey GRAVES, F, b. 15 Sep 1900
5. (no #) Katherline GRAVES, F, b. Sep 1904
5. (no #) Alfreda GRAVES, F, b. Oct 1907
5. (no #) Philippe GRAVES, M, b. Feb 1910
4. (32) Michael Francis GRAVES, M, b. 08 Sep 1873
4. (33) Herbert Douglas GRAVES, M, b. 14 Mar 1875, d. 25 May 1876
3. (9) Michael GRAVES, M, b. abt 1832, d. 27 Oct 1892, (m) Margaret MCFADDEN
4. (18) George GRAVES, M, b. 10 Aug 1857, d. 1932
4. (21) Thomas John GRAVES, M, b. abt 1859, d. 29 Oct 1930
4. (no #) Eliza GRAVES, F, b. abt 1860
4. (20) Thomas GRAVES, M, b. 1862
4. (19) Charles GRAVES, M, b. 04 Mar 1865, d. 1940
4. (22?) Edwin James GRAVES, M, b. 11 Dec 1868
3. (10) John GRAVES, M, b. abt 1834
3. (11) William GRAVES, M, b. abt 1837
3. (15) Hannah GRAVES, F, b. abt 1839, d. aft 1911, (m) Devenport
3. (14) Sarah Bryant GRAVES, F, b. 19 Mar 1843
3. (16) Susan GRAVES, F, b. abt 1846
As for my questions, I contacted McGill University, and they do not have a record of George Graves attending (that's not a surprise based on my dates).
I looked at Canadian Military records, and there are a lot of Adam Graves and George Graves living in Sorel, Quebec (near Montreal) at the right time period. I ordered a film from the LDS FHC of Sorel baptisms. Perhaps at that time they were still Church of England/Anglican and bapitized their children as such.
I used Yahoo groups to find out how Catherine Percy could be called a "Lady". I got an answer that I think is pretty good and at least gives a direction to start looking. If George Graves lived near Montreal at some point in time, it's possible she wasn't born in or near Pittsburgh Township and they were married near Montreal. So far I haven't found any Percy families in Pittsburgh Township.
I ordered the land film from the LAC that Joanna said to check out. It should arrive at the public library in a few weeks.
So now to do:
- Search Canadian land records for Adam & George Graves in Sorel, Quebec
- Search Maryland land records for Adam & George.
- Other possible Maryland records???
Friday, September 12, 2008
Notes on LAC film C-11818, C-11835, C-11839, C-11844, C-11866, C-11870
I ordered film C-11818 etc of military records from the Library and Archives Canada. There were a number of GRAVES family living in Sorel, Quebec (aka William-Henry).
Unfortunately I haven't figured out what to do next. I would have thought that number "C.694" was the LAC film number of the complete information, but when I look at the list of records, the numbers don't seem to match what I wrote down from the index.
NAME
Summary of the information
Place, Date
LAC Film number to find the information, page number
SOREL is located on the South side of the St. Lawrence River in Quebec and was also called William Henry
CHAZY is located on the South side of the St. Lawrence River in New York
GRAVES, Adam
arrears of cons & rentee in the Seigniery of Sorel due to the 11 Nov 1797
Sorel, 22-12-1797
C.279 p. 41
GRAVES, Adam
lot sold to Robert Jones in Sorel Seigniery
14 Sep 1798 (date blured, guessing the year)
C.278 p. 103
GRAVES, Adam
transfer of a lot in Seigniory of Sorel to L. Rainville
1797-1806
C.279 p. 78
GRAVES, Adam, Captain
Annual rent paid for land in Sorel Seigniery
1802
C.279, p. 60 (page number blurry)
GRAVES Adam
lot sold to P. Smith in Sorel Seigniery
19 May 1803
C. 279, p.107
GRAVES Adam
difference between General & Annual rent for year ending
11 Nov 1806
C. 279 p. 83
GRAVES Adam
arrears of cens & rentes in Seigniery of Sorel remaining due 24 Mar 1806
Sorel, 24-3-1806
C. 279 p. 81 (page number blury)
GRAVES Adam
certificate as to Martin Dunnavan's character
Sorel 30-4-1814
C.279 p. 239
GRAVES Benjamin M.D.S. Plattsburgh, N.Y.
certificate of facts contained in petition of George and requests his prayer be granted
10-8-1813
C.505, p.163
GRAVES Charles F. Lieutenant & Quartermaster
longue point division
2-11-1812
C.1695, p.84
GRAVES Charles F.
Lieutenant in the 1st or Grendi Cr Co of Col. Deschmanbault's Corps Sedantary Inc.
Militia Div of Blainville
Beauharhois, 23-11-1813
C.1894, p.5
GRAVES Charles F
certificate of services
Montreal, 1-4-1824
C.1694, p.35
there are other GRAVES but the dates are later and the given names are unfamiliar
GRAVES Elisabeth
Twp of Drummond, Bathurst, District C.W.
married Alexander Thomas by William Bell Presbyterian, 9-1-1832
GRAVES George
from Hugh Finlay, D'ty Post Mr. Gen'l to point a mode that would effectively remedy the inconvenience in conveying mail between Berthier & Sorel
Quebec 10-9-1798
C.278, p. 154
GRAVES George Junior
to Hugh Finlay D'ty post Mr. General
Sorel 24-9-1798
C.278, p. 156
GRAVES Geo Jr
witness to signing contract between 2 men to supply hard wood
5-1-1810
C.549, p. 88
GRAVES George
Quartermaster St. Ours Batt'n L.C. Militia
1812-1812
M.661, p. 30 (M.661 wasn't clear, could be N.661 or W.661)
GRAVES George
certificate as to Mary Tilson's character
Sorel 14-4-1812
C.279, p. 203
GRAVES George
recomends Sarah Leach to be admitted in Sore Asylum
Sorel 27-4-1812
C.279, p.207
GRAVES George
Lieutenant and QM St. Ours division
1-9-1812
C.1695, p.131
GRAVES George
Lieuntenant 7th Batt'n or Deachambault's L.C. Militia
1812-1816
M.661, p.30
GRAVES George
R.O. Member of a court inquiry to assemble on Oct 24 at Major Mondelet's quarters for deciding a ration of bread for Captain Brown's Company
Pointe de Lac 23-10-1813
C.1203 1/2 Q, p. 25
GRAVES George
R.O. member of court martial for inquiring into the conduct of David Petty, Issac Proctor & Sylvester Hill of Capt'n Browns Company
Prentice Point 3-11-1813
C.1203 1/2Q, p.55
GRAVES George
C.1203 1/2Q, p. 63
GRAVES George
details of his duty for company at Prentice Point
18 Nov 1813
C.1203 1/2Q, p. 75
GRAVES George
details of his duty for company at Prentice Point
22 Nov 1813
C.1203 1/2Q, p.96
GRAVES George
certificate as to Martin Dunnavan's character
Sorel 30-4-1814
C.279, p. 288
GRAVES, George
Concering claim of Messurs. Linthorne & Jelliffe against Engineer Dept. Sorel.
William Henry, 23-3-1815
C.389 pp.218-219
GRAVES, George
Possessor of Town lot in Sorel.
John K. Welles, agnt for the Deigniery.
Sorel 16-11-1829
C. 634 p.91
GRAVES, George F
General Order. Appointing him to be Ensign to the 89th Regt. vice Graves promoted.
Kingston 7-6-1813
C.1170 p.251
GRAVES, George F. Ensign, 89th Foot.
General Order. To be Ensign in 5th Regt vice Ensign Jame Oughton who exchanges. April 15th 1813.
Adjt General Baynes. Montreal, Oct 17 1813
C.1171 p.73
GRAVES, George, (D.S.) Churchwarden, William Henry L.C.
Affidavit of Rebecca Hall of her marriage to V.L. Hall late Lieut. 99th Regt. and that she is in receipt of no pension, etc.
29-7-1822
C.195 p.50
GRAVES, Henry
Claim for losses, sustained through H.N. Troops, Chasy 1-11-1814
C.85 pp234-235
GRAVES, Henry
makes affidavit re peaceable conduct of Jerooneaue Seyer toward Sir. Geo Provost
Chasy 8-11-1814
C.85 p.232A
GRAVES, John
King's American Dragoons
1782-83
C.1901 p6 10 37 41 51 54 67 76 77 85
GRAVES, John
Lot promised him in Seigniory of Sorel, but remained unimproved.
Sorel 9-7-1810
C.279 p. 20
GRAVES, John
to receive wages of Wm. Graves artificer at the Kingston dockyards.
Quebec 7-12-1813
C.681 p216b
GRAVES, John
position of lockmaster on Rideau Canal 27-6-1837
C.82 p.227
GRAVES, John Pte 14th Regt
Volunteer from 32nd Regt claim fr winter cloting against that corps.
N. Everand, Lt. Col Con'dg'
Kingston 29-11-1841
C.838 p.70
GRAVES, Joseph
Sergeant - Volunteers of Ireland
1779-80-81-82
C.1886 p.20-37-43-63
C.1887 p.5-14-27-39-47
GRAVES P Graham Ensign USA
his parole of honor H.H.C. "Malabar"
Quebec 10-6-1813
C.689 p.92
GRAVES, Seth
makes depositions re peaceable conduct of certain inhabitants of Chasy towards Sir George Provost
Chasy, N.Y 2-11-1814
C.85 pp. 224A 225A 226, 229, 230A, 231
checked for GREAVES and GROVES but the names there did not seems to match what I'm looking for.
C-11835
MILTON, John has a number of entries but no MILTON, Thomas
C-11839
McLEAN
Private - Vernonis Troup
1782
C.1884 p 32-73
C.1885 p.52
McLEAN _____
Maryland Loyalists
1779
C.1904 p.44
McLEAN
relative to a letter addressed to Judge Posell supposed to have been mislaid
Captain Porter to Major LaMaistre
Kingston 8-8-1791
C.930 p.92
McLEAN _____ Wood Contractor
H. Mackenzie to James Green
Kingston 20-10-1801
Contract for fuel for the garrison at Kingston
has agreed to supply wood at 8/6? per cord.
Capt. A Mackenzie 41st Regt to the Mil'y Sec'y
C.107 p.194
McLEAN Joseph
born in Ireland, Montreal 1765. Clerk
M.96 p.13
McLEAN Jospeh
Private, Loyal American Regiment
12-11-1777
C.1867 p.2
McLean Joseph
Private, Loyal American Regiment
27-6-1778
C.1867 p.47
McLEAN Jospeh Act'g Seurgon?
Naval Establishment, L. Erie
16-10-1815
C.736 p 31b
*** get film for MacLEAN***
C-11844
no PERCY that looks like the right time period
C-11866
Vanhorne/Van Horn or Vanhorn/Van Horne
no William
C-11870
Willmot
Willmott
Wilmot
no John Wilmot (he must not have been an officer???)
Unfortunately I haven't figured out what to do next. I would have thought that number "C.694" was the LAC film number of the complete information, but when I look at the list of records, the numbers don't seem to match what I wrote down from the index.
NAME
Summary of the information
Place, Date
LAC Film number to find the information, page number
SOREL is located on the South side of the St. Lawrence River in Quebec and was also called William Henry
CHAZY is located on the South side of the St. Lawrence River in New York
GRAVES, Adam
arrears of cons & rentee in the Seigniery of Sorel due to the 11 Nov 1797
Sorel, 22-12-1797
C.279 p. 41
GRAVES, Adam
lot sold to Robert Jones in Sorel Seigniery
14 Sep 1798 (date blured, guessing the year)
C.278 p. 103
GRAVES, Adam
transfer of a lot in Seigniory of Sorel to L. Rainville
1797-1806
C.279 p. 78
GRAVES, Adam, Captain
Annual rent paid for land in Sorel Seigniery
1802
C.279, p. 60 (page number blurry)
GRAVES Adam
lot sold to P. Smith in Sorel Seigniery
19 May 1803
C. 279, p.107
GRAVES Adam
difference between General & Annual rent for year ending
11 Nov 1806
C. 279 p. 83
GRAVES Adam
arrears of cens & rentes in Seigniery of Sorel remaining due 24 Mar 1806
Sorel, 24-3-1806
C. 279 p. 81 (page number blury)
GRAVES Adam
certificate as to Martin Dunnavan's character
Sorel 30-4-1814
C.279 p. 239
GRAVES Benjamin M.D.S. Plattsburgh, N.Y.
certificate of facts contained in petition of George and requests his prayer be granted
10-8-1813
C.505, p.163
GRAVES Charles F. Lieutenant & Quartermaster
longue point division
2-11-1812
C.1695, p.84
GRAVES Charles F.
Lieutenant in the 1st or Grendi Cr Co of Col. Deschmanbault's Corps Sedantary Inc.
Militia Div of Blainville
Beauharhois, 23-11-1813
C.1894, p.5
GRAVES Charles F
certificate of services
Montreal, 1-4-1824
C.1694, p.35
there are other GRAVES but the dates are later and the given names are unfamiliar
GRAVES Elisabeth
Twp of Drummond, Bathurst, District C.W.
married Alexander Thomas by William Bell Presbyterian, 9-1-1832
GRAVES George
from Hugh Finlay, D'ty Post Mr. Gen'l to point a mode that would effectively remedy the inconvenience in conveying mail between Berthier & Sorel
Quebec 10-9-1798
C.278, p. 154
GRAVES George Junior
to Hugh Finlay D'ty post Mr. General
Sorel 24-9-1798
C.278, p. 156
GRAVES Geo Jr
witness to signing contract between 2 men to supply hard wood
5-1-1810
C.549, p. 88
GRAVES George
Quartermaster St. Ours Batt'n L.C. Militia
1812-1812
M.661, p. 30 (M.661 wasn't clear, could be N.661 or W.661)
GRAVES George
certificate as to Mary Tilson's character
Sorel 14-4-1812
C.279, p. 203
GRAVES George
recomends Sarah Leach to be admitted in Sore Asylum
Sorel 27-4-1812
C.279, p.207
GRAVES George
Lieutenant and QM St. Ours division
1-9-1812
C.1695, p.131
GRAVES George
Lieuntenant 7th Batt'n or Deachambault's L.C. Militia
1812-1816
M.661, p.30
GRAVES George
R.O. Member of a court inquiry to assemble on Oct 24 at Major Mondelet's quarters for deciding a ration of bread for Captain Brown's Company
Pointe de Lac 23-10-1813
C.1203 1/2 Q, p. 25
GRAVES George
R.O. member of court martial for inquiring into the conduct of David Petty, Issac Proctor & Sylvester Hill of Capt'n Browns Company
Prentice Point 3-11-1813
C.1203 1/2Q, p.55
GRAVES George
C.1203 1/2Q, p. 63
GRAVES George
details of his duty for company at Prentice Point
18 Nov 1813
C.1203 1/2Q, p. 75
GRAVES George
details of his duty for company at Prentice Point
22 Nov 1813
C.1203 1/2Q, p.96
GRAVES George
certificate as to Martin Dunnavan's character
Sorel 30-4-1814
C.279, p. 288
GRAVES, George
Concering claim of Messurs. Linthorne & Jelliffe against Engineer Dept. Sorel.
William Henry, 23-3-1815
C.389 pp.218-219
GRAVES, George
Possessor of Town lot in Sorel.
John K. Welles, agnt for the Deigniery.
Sorel 16-11-1829
C. 634 p.91
GRAVES, George F
General Order. Appointing him to be Ensign to the 89th Regt. vice Graves promoted.
Kingston 7-6-1813
C.1170 p.251
GRAVES, George F. Ensign, 89th Foot.
General Order. To be Ensign in 5th Regt vice Ensign Jame Oughton who exchanges. April 15th 1813.
Adjt General Baynes. Montreal, Oct 17 1813
C.1171 p.73
GRAVES, George, (D.S.) Churchwarden, William Henry L.C.
Affidavit of Rebecca Hall of her marriage to V.L. Hall late Lieut. 99th Regt. and that she is in receipt of no pension, etc.
29-7-1822
C.195 p.50
GRAVES, Henry
Claim for losses, sustained through H.N. Troops, Chasy 1-11-1814
C.85 pp234-235
GRAVES, Henry
makes affidavit re peaceable conduct of Jerooneaue Seyer toward Sir. Geo Provost
Chasy 8-11-1814
C.85 p.232A
GRAVES, John
King's American Dragoons
1782-83
C.1901 p6 10 37 41 51 54 67 76 77 85
GRAVES, John
Lot promised him in Seigniory of Sorel, but remained unimproved.
Sorel 9-7-1810
C.279 p. 20
GRAVES, John
to receive wages of Wm. Graves artificer at the Kingston dockyards.
Quebec 7-12-1813
C.681 p216b
GRAVES, John
position of lockmaster on Rideau Canal 27-6-1837
C.82 p.227
GRAVES, John Pte 14th Regt
Volunteer from 32nd Regt claim fr winter cloting against that corps.
N. Everand, Lt. Col Con'dg'
Kingston 29-11-1841
C.838 p.70
GRAVES, Joseph
Sergeant - Volunteers of Ireland
1779-80-81-82
C.1886 p.20-37-43-63
C.1887 p.5-14-27-39-47
GRAVES P Graham Ensign USA
his parole of honor H.H.C. "Malabar"
Quebec 10-6-1813
C.689 p.92
GRAVES, Seth
makes depositions re peaceable conduct of certain inhabitants of Chasy towards Sir George Provost
Chasy, N.Y 2-11-1814
C.85 pp. 224A 225A 226, 229, 230A, 231
checked for GREAVES and GROVES but the names there did not seems to match what I'm looking for.
C-11835
MILTON, John has a number of entries but no MILTON, Thomas
C-11839
McLEAN
Private - Vernonis Troup
1782
C.1884 p 32-73
C.1885 p.52
McLEAN _____
Maryland Loyalists
1779
C.1904 p.44
McLEAN
relative to a letter addressed to Judge Posell supposed to have been mislaid
Captain Porter to Major LaMaistre
Kingston 8-8-1791
C.930 p.92
McLEAN _____ Wood Contractor
H. Mackenzie to James Green
Kingston 20-10-1801
Contract for fuel for the garrison at Kingston
has agreed to supply wood at 8/6? per cord.
Capt. A Mackenzie 41st Regt to the Mil'y Sec'y
C.107 p.194
McLEAN Joseph
born in Ireland, Montreal 1765. Clerk
M.96 p.13
McLEAN Jospeh
Private, Loyal American Regiment
12-11-1777
C.1867 p.2
McLean Joseph
Private, Loyal American Regiment
27-6-1778
C.1867 p.47
McLEAN Jospeh Act'g Seurgon?
Naval Establishment, L. Erie
16-10-1815
C.736 p 31b
*** get film for MacLEAN***
C-11844
no PERCY that looks like the right time period
C-11866
Vanhorne/Van Horn or Vanhorn/Van Horne
no William
C-11870
Willmot
Willmott
Wilmot
no John Wilmot (he must not have been an officer???)
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